Ivan Zhao

Notion founder Ivan Zhao shares a deep conversation about restarting the company and restructuring in the AI era. He emphasizes the importance of language models in building products, as well as how AI changes recruitment standards and organizational structures. Notion has shifted from founder mode to a new CEO model in the AI era, learning to delegate and hire managers, as well as how to retain improvisation and collective participation in the structure.

Notion通过收购创始人和团队保持组织活力，避免大公司僵化问题。

Notion取消了CMO组织，将其拆分为与产品紧密相连的故事讲述部门和专注于销售的市场服务部门，以适应快速变化的产品迭代。

Notion founder Ivan Zhao dissolved the marketing department and eliminated the CMO position, splitting marketing functions into product-near storytelling teams and sales-oriented go-to-market functions to address the challenges of rapid product iteration.

Ivan Zhao discusses how to prevent a company from calcifying through acquisitions, and Notion has 50-60 founders.

Ivan Zhao doesn't particularly like being called a 'cult leader'. He believes that a company is like a religion, with a belief system and values, and can spread through its business and products. He mentions the Catholic Church as an example of a successful entity with two thousand years of history and strong influence.

Notion 倡导团队应像爵士乐队而非军乐队运作，强调自主性和创造性。

构建大型语言模型（LLM）项目类似于酿造啤酒，无法完全预测结果，更多依赖于实验和技术探索。

Notion CEO Ivan Zhao transformed the company from a SaaS model to an AI-driven enterprise through strategic reboots and organizational restructuring, adopting a 'jazz band' culture and core strategy renewal.

Notion co-founder Ivan Zhao advocates for a jazz band culture over a marching band one, emphasizing autonomy, collaboration, and innovation.

Ivan and Simon of Notion discuss AI possibilities via lengthy phone calls outside regular work hours, but provide no technical details or implementation methods.