没有中间地带：大国AI博弈、效率碾压和白领的“恩格斯暂停”---串台大内

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屠龙之术Podcast2026年5月8日1:49:49

No Middle Ground: Great Power AI Rivalry, Efficiency Supremacy, and White-Collar 'Engels Pause'

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U.S.-China AI competition intensifies as Meta's acquisition of Manus reveals the clash between tech sovereignty and capital logic; Chinese tech firms face foreign investment scrutiny, requiring hard-tech entrepreneurs to adapt to dual regulatory frameworks.

Key Takeaways

Meta’s acquisition of AI firm Manus was blocked by U.S. authorities, showing AI
Chinese companies like Chen Tianqiao’s MiroMind case show overseas investment re
White-collar workers experience an 'Engels pause'—a psychological phase where jo

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§Introduction: Podcast Cross-Posting Context
Host reflects on previous AI discussion with Dainai host Xiang Zheng, clarifying views are personal, not institutional.
·Analysis of the Manus Incident
Meta’s acquisition of AI company Manus faced U.S. government intervention, revealing geopolitical stakes behind tech deals.
·TikTok & Grindr Cases
U.S. Congress pressured Chinese firms to divest assets, exposing dual standards in global tech regulation.
›Foreign Investment Regulation Impact
China tightened rules on foreign equity stakes, forcing firms to reassess international capital partnerships.
·White-Collar 'Engels Pause'
AI tools eliminate repetitive tasks, triggering identity crises among white-collar workers and psychological gaps.

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AI时代的地缘政治与个体焦虑
- 大国博弈
  - Manus事件：Meta收购受阻
  - TikTok事件：政治干预资本流动
  - Grindr拆分：美打压中企案例
- 技术主权
  - 外资管理办法收紧
  - 中国AI企业转向自主可控
- 个体影响
  - 白领效率碾压下的身份危机
  - ‘恩格斯暂停’的心理机制

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Can Meta ignore it? Reports say Meta is willing to withdraw the deal—capital must yield to geopolitics.
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Two sets of rules, two ways to play: U.S. and China regulate AI firms differently, creating de facto tech fragmentation.
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The white-collar 'Engels pause' isn’t unemployment—it’s a reconstruction phase after old identities dissolve, needing social support systems.
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Chapters

上次去大内是25年12月初
上次去大内是25年12月初
当时一个印象深刻的评论
当时一个印象深刻的评论
上次聊天的时候相爷用nano banana画的“宫本武藏”
上次聊天的时候相爷用nano banana画的“宫本武藏”
我看到的两个image2案例：抖音直播间+游戏联动海报
我看到的两个image2案例：抖音直播间+游戏联动海报
相征用image2做的图
相征用image2做的图
老司机阑夕的“作品”
老司机阑夕的“作品”
我们开始聊Manus
我们开始聊Manus
我对Manus事件的梳理
我对Manus事件的梳理
当时Manus中文区的公告
当时Manus中文区的公告
Meta的收购其实已经交割了
Meta的收购其实已经交割了
两种极端的观点：在商言商 VS 大国博弈
两种极端的观点：在商言商 VS 大国博弈
另外一场中美的博弈：Tiktok事件
另外一场中美的博弈：Tiktok事件

Transcript

上次去大内是25年12月初

当时一个印象深刻的评论

上次聊天的时候相爷用nano banana画的“宫本武藏”

我看到的两个image2案例抖音直播间+游戏联动海报

相征用image2做的图

老司机阑夕的“作品”

我们开始聊Manus

我对Manus事件的梳理

当时Manus中文区的公告

Meta的收购其实已经交割了

两种极端的观点在商言商 VS 大国博弈

另外一场中美的博弈Tiktok事件

世界名画周受资在美国国会

“对面的帮派实在是太不讲规矩了”……

之前美国政府逼迫昆仑拆分男同平台grindr

国会关注腾讯100%控股拳头游戏以及持有EPIC约40%股份

外资管理办法的要求

Meta可以不理吗？

外媒报道，Meta愿意撤销

openclaw的崛起可能对Manus的价值产生影响

美元投资者为什么会被打上自由派/右派的标签？

当年的“滴滴上市”事件

新的趋势拆vie，不允许拿美国的投资……

两套规则，两套玩法

新时代对于硬科技方向创业者提出的新要求

Manus事件的个人总结

这其实不是个例，最近的新案例就是盛大陈天桥MiroMind事件

中美在AI上的军备竞赛

极端事件频繁上演

爱奇艺AI艺人与AI短剧的案例

三联的那篇文章[39岁的横店“戏王”，为何已经“无戏可拍”？](https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/QPdGePuNDc36NnzBd3tX3Q)

重轻去今年GDC的感受播客--非常推荐

Anthropic如何看待下一代软件

AI焦虑是杞人忧天吗？

26年到现在美国科技巨头的大裁员

“恩格斯暂停”

蒸馏员工，Meta在认真的干

头部AI研究员安全吗？完全不安全～

Harness的比喻

“自主进化”

Harness到底是什么？

软件会被取代么？

是否有什么限制？

“我们要相信光”

CPU重新回到舞台中央

政府审批也是限制--缅因州的案例

Deepseek V4的意义国产芯片适配+极致性价比

最近黄仁勋去播客上吵架是在表达什么？

被替代会怎么样？

人的价值到底来自哪里？

重轻“我为什么要去听一首歌？”……

我让儿子用AI和他练习辩论

十年前的Alphago的故事（是的，我讲过很多次了）

感觉Meta买的是团队吧，而不单是manus这个软件，最近Meta不是打算推出一个使用他们最新模型Spark的 AI Agent工具吗？好像类似manus和openclaw这种

没到这种高度吧，我看很多人说这家公司吃中国工程师红利，享受武汉各种补贴优惠，现在把人裁了跑出去忘恩负义吃里扒外，所以一定要严惩

是不是就是这里，被deepseek摆了一道🤣

这个歌好听，是啥歌

话说benchmark 招来谷爱凌，就是沟通这事的吧？结果没成功

笑死，比较张扬

#AI Geopolitics#US-China Relations#Tech Policy#Workplace Anxiety

Show notes

No Middle Ground: Great Power AI Competition, Efficiency Supremacy, and the White-Collar "Engels Pause" — Dainai's Cross-talk

The Art of Slaying Dragons ![Image 3: The Art of Slaying Dragons](https://www.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/episode/69fd6ce61b7bd50295b5a3ad)

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In my previous episode, I mentioned visiting Dainai recently for a chat about AI—this is the follow-up episode from that conversation.

Dainai has already released their version here:

I had a long chat with Dainai’s host Xiang Zheng (aka Xiang Ye), covering topics like the latest evolution of image models, the various aspects of the Manus incident, the rise of AI short-form videos, recent updates in the U.S. AI industry over the past 1–2 quarters, complex societal issues caused by AI, and individual anxieties.

This is purely personal rambling—not representing any official stance…

I’ve included many images in the shownotes—I recommend listening along with them.

(To join the fan group, first add WeChat: rosicky311)

Now, the main content begins…

[Timeline]

00:23 My last visit to Dainai was early December 2025

00:39 A memorable comment from then

02:18 What Xiang Ye drew using nano banana: “Miyamoto Musashi”

03:30 Two image-to-image examples I saw: Douyin live stream + game collaboration poster

05:15 Xiang Zheng’s image-to-image creations

07:57 Lan Xi, the veteran, sharing his “work”

09:12 We start discussing Manus

10:15 My summary of the Manus incident

13:41 The announcement from the Chinese community during the Manus event

21:42 Meta’s acquisition has already been finalized

22:50 Two extreme viewpoints: business-first vs. great power competition

24:34 Another China-U.S. battle: the TikTok case

26:29 World-famous painting: Zhou Shouzi testifying before the U.S. Congress

Image 17: Allegations of TikTok being infiltrated by CCP questioned by U.S. Senator | ByteDance | Epoch Times

29:02 “The other side’s gang is just too unprofessional…”

29:16 Previously, the U.S. government forced Kunlun to spin off its gay dating app Grindr

29:41 Congress focused on Tencent’s 100% ownership of Riot Games and ~40% stake in Epic Games

31:43 Foreign Investment Management Regulations requirements

33:40 Can Meta ignore this?

34:08 International media reports that Meta is willing to withdraw

34:14 The rise of openclaw may affect Manus’ value

35:40 Why are dollar investors labeled as liberal or right-wing?

36:05 The “Didi IPO” incident from years ago

38:20 New trend: divestment from VIE structures, no more U.S. investment allowed…

39:20 Two sets of rules, two ways to play

41:41 New demands for hard-tech entrepreneurs in the new era

42:47 Personal takeaways from the Manus incident

43:30 This isn’t an isolated case—the recent example is Chen Tianqiao’s MiroMind incident at Shanda

45:33 The AI arms race between China and the U.S.

49:24 Extreme events keep happening

51:15 iQIYI’s AI actor and AI short video case

55:25 The article from Sanlian: Why Is the 39-Year-Old “King of Acting” in Hengdian Now Out of Work?

60:15 My GDC 2026 impressions podcast—highly recommended

[Chinese Games Are Rewriting the Rules—GDC 2026 Is the Signal](https://www.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/episode/69c1266e521e5c0a809f9d52?s=eyJ1IjogIjYwMTYxMDlhZTBmNWU3MjNiYjUyMTMxMCJ9)

63:56 How does Anthropic view the next generation of software?

65:20 Is AI anxiety just unwarranted fear?

65:43 Major layoffs at U.S. tech giants from 2026 to now

67:37 "Engels Pause"

68:57 Distilling employees — Meta is serious about it

72:09 Are top AI researchers safe? Not at all～

72:54 Harness's metaphor

73:17 "Autonomous evolution"

75:17 What exactly is Harness?

77:32 Will software be replaced?

78:34 Are there any limitations?

79:16 "We must believe in the light"

80:14 CPUs are returning to center stage

83:00 Government approval can also be a limitation — the case of Maine

85:24 The significance of Deepseek V4: domestic chip compatibility + extreme cost-effectiveness

87:53 What was Huang Renxun expressing when he appeared on a podcast recently?

89:37 What happens if you get replaced?

92:16 Where does human value actually come from?

93:44 Zhong Qing: "Why should I listen to a song?"

97:03 I let my son practice debate with AI

98:00 The AlphaGo story from ten years ago (yes, I’ve told this many times)

104:55 Ten years later, Faker sat beside Lee Se-dol

That’s the content of my previous episode — highly recommended:

[Ten Years Later, Faker Sat Beside Lee Se-dol](https://www.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/episode/69fad4a5e05c0efcd6f4eaec?s=eyJ1IjogIjYwMTYxMDlhZTBmNWU3MjNiYjUyMTMxMCJ9)

【Podcast Description】

*Slayer of Dragons* is a podcast focusing on technology, internet, and venture capital. Host Zhuang Minghao is someone who straddles the line between the internet and venture capital industries. The insights accumulated over years of work have become something akin to “the art of slaying dragons.” Perhaps when a new “dragon” appears someday, this podcast will come to an end.

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Show Notes

fflowww

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This episode is incredible — so amazing!

Mi Duo Miao Wu

1 day ago

2

Just fell asleep halfway through listening to the big internal one — now listening again 🥰

Sayhi_bzb

16 hours ago

1

Why do I always hear the AlphaGo story again?

Zhuang Minghao: hhh, no more stories, no more stories

Evarle

21 hours ago

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35:15 It feels like Meta bought the team, not just the software Manus. Recently, Meta plans to launch an AI Agent tool using their latest Spark model — similar to Manus and OpenClaw.

Zhuang Minghao: Yes, the team definitely accounts for a significant portion.

Born as a Cat Lover

1 day ago

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Professor Zhu updates too frequently 😂 Longtime listeners notice most content has been covered before.

Zhuang Minghao: hh

Tao Su-

6 hours ago

1

25:02 Not that extreme — many people say this company benefited from China’s engineering talent advantage and enjoyed subsidies in Wuhan. Now they laid off staff and left without gratitude — so they must be severely punished.